5 March 2022
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21:42
subum park
im holding, but if I see the possibility of figuring out. 30cents is super nice price tp buy.
AS
21:42
Al Smith
Let’s just be pro them figuring it out and not anti anything. :)
O
21:42
Orc
i just saw him posting my words on discord and wanted to give him something to post
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21:43
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
I'm holding as well, but, I have a feeling that even if the NCR stuff were 3rd party, it'd be fine since there doesn't appear to be enthusiasm from the Neos dev team in general for crypto, so the idea they'd add more competing coins is unlikely in my mind.
21:43
So, I am genuinely tempted to buy at this dip
K
21:43
Khosumi
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I am calling out anyone who is being out of line
21:44
not just you
21:44
If you are freely bashing on people for no other particular reason than out of spite, it will be posted
R
21:44
Reactant
And if I see anyone do it, I will warn then ban.
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21:44
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
The problem though is that, I'm not sure how stable NCR will be as a currency and if that's the case, will it actually be useable in the end? :x
AS
21:45
Al Smith
If NCR has no utility it is worthless. Right now NEOS is it’s only place for utility. We need NEOS and NCR for a win.
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21:46
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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Agreed.
sp
21:46
subum park
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it's same problem bitcoin have. How can it be used if its not stable.
O
21:47
Orc
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they want to rugpull. we need to place our hopes in Karel because hes the only one giving a shit about is.
sp
21:47
subum park
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yeah. no option for us but to support Karel
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21:48
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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Well, I look at stuff like other digital currencies like Linden dollars (not crypto), and, it has had drastic changes over time, but, in the short term, it's pretty stable. So, if you know it has some drastic increases in value but then holds that value for a long time, it's not too big of a deal
AS
21:48
Al Smith
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I play also. And there is a whole community that is ok with NCR and would be ok with it staying.
G
21:48
Grace
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very childish. If you want to say somebody lying, you should speak useful facts.
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21:49
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
So, basically, be stable, but not too stable for it to work
O
21:49
Orc
i play too but currently more vrchat
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21:49
Nex
I would but out of respect for my team im going to contain myself, unlike Karel
AS
21:49
Al Smith
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Also Karels handling of public communication brought this on himself.
O
21:50
Orc
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i think karel is under a microscope
21:50
but dont pretend anyone other than him from yhr start gave a shit about ncr holders
AS
21:50
Al Smith
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That’s the job of a CEO. I’ve been there !!
21:51
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I don’t know if that’s true.
O
21:51
Orc
from teh start they wanted to remove NCR, its obvious
21:51
they wanns make the kids on discord happy
G
21:51
Grace
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you choose silence. Others talking is their rights. that video is nonsense.
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21:51
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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Honestly, the entire team's communication internal and external :/
N
21:51
Nex
Tbh i loved NCR and supported it for years just saying
O
21:52
Orc
you think any of those devs give a shit about your financial wellbeing?
21:52
your hopes, dreams? your family? the are calling for a rugpull
AS
21:52
Al Smith
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I agree. Communications have been very bad
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21:52
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
There are some interpersonal issues that aren't being communicated properly
K
21:52
Kulza
tbh nex did push ncr on me when i first joined to a slightly offputting extent
O
21:52
Orc
trust those asshole furries for a moment and theyll be dancing crabs on your ass the first chance they get
K
21:52
Khosumi
orc
21:52
chill
O
21:52
Orc
dont be stupid and trust them
G
21:53
Grace
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please stop this. Anger carries nowhere
R
21:53
Reactant
Orc, like seriously man.
O
21:53
Orc
im fine Im good but ive been following the devs and Ive seen their words
N
21:53
Nex
Yeah non productive communication if all you are going to do is spread lies and hate, relax and drink some tea
AS
21:54
Al Smith
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Please stop bashing a group of people it’s not helpful
R
21:54
Reactant
Like, I know you are pissed, but I can't let people fight in here.
N
21:54
Nex via @gif
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21:54
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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I think most people in general don't care even when responsible. I've seen it from so many employers in how they treat staff, banking attitudes to people's financial circumstances etc
sp
21:54
subum park
angers without any productive is useless.. be calm please :(
O
21:54
Orc
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not all furriesjust... i only meant the ones on discord
K
21:55
Khosumi
oh my fucking god dude
O
21:55
Orc
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thanks. *sip*
K
21:55
Khosumi
you can't help yourself
O
21:55
Orc
sorry
21:58
im sorry fer being an ass to u khosumi, just been a rough day
G
21:58
Grace
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It’s not about blaming anyone. the most important thing for everyone is to get things resolved. everybody could move on. Life is short man. Wasting time on endless fight is the biggest loss. If the team cannot form a constructive communication, you could ask for external help. Ask for someone you both have respect to get involved as moderator. Or you could trust some representatives from the community as we do put real money in.
K
21:59
Khosumi
It's been rough for everyone man, but come on, stop insulting people and harassing people. You're literally just negative all the time
PT
22:00
Peter Thiel
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So you don't know much about cryptocurrencies, hex, ada what's out there?
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22:00
Orc
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friend, ppl here including me got royally fucked and please atleast be honest and admit you are a bit glad about it
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22:01
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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I'd say it's outdated because I don't update myself religiously, but I am familiar
O
22:01
Orc
you hate crypto do you not? you want ncr gone, right?
K
22:01
Khosumi
Do you honestly believe I hate *you* as a person
O
22:01
Orc
so like, least realize some of us having a wprse day than others
AS
22:02
Al Smith
I feel like this battle is far past NCR. It’s about leadership and communication.
O
22:02
Orc
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you dont know me so
22:02
you cant really
K
22:02
Khosumi
exactly, I don't, how could I hate your guts? I don't, sure it sucks that you lost money but what do you want me to do about it? Cover your loss? Hell no
O
22:03
Orc
gosh how did you know
22:03
if you could thatd be super
22:03
or do me better and just leave me alone
K
22:03
Khosumi
Well then stop saying I fuck animals
O
22:04
Orc
dont pretend youre herr for anything more than to farm drama
K
22:04
Khosumi
Nope
22:04
I'm here for information purpose and trying to have a dialog based on evidence with karel
22:04
I hadn't posted anything in a while before you started talking trash about me
O
22:05
Orc
i posted because I knew youd post it in ur chat
K
22:05
Khosumi
Well no shit, what you're saying is depraved and horrible
22:06
I'm not entirely sure why you're still in this chat with your attitude
O
22:07
Orc
not sure why we're tolerated ppl in here just looking to snitch childish drama
R
22:07
Reactant
Can both of you just chill or take this to DMs?
K
22:07
Khosumi
I'm dropping this here. I've said my mind
AS
22:08
Al Smith
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Didn’t you kinda start this drama with your posts? Just stop posting things that aren’t relevant to the discussion.
K
22:08
Khosumi
please respect your word and actually go through with removing bad behavior
O
22:08
Orc
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u want me to remove my posts?
22:08
fine i will
22:09
tho i doubt youd do the same for me
K
22:09
Khosumi
stop antagonizing
22:09
Good night.
G
22:10
Grace
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get some good rest man. It will help to release your tension.
JD
22:13
John Der
NeosVR is with NCR. If NCR is doomed, so does NeosVR. Hope Frooxius and the team understand this.
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22:14
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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I think there are many potential solutions, but making NCR usable is probably one of the better immediate solutions.
AS
22:15
Al Smith
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I don’t really agree. NCR gets its value from Utility in NEOS. And NEOS can just change it’s payment methods to survive. So even if NCR goes away NEOS can live on.
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22:15
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
I'm wondering how Neos is going to resolve the Steam problem
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22:16
Al Smith
NEOS has a launcher you can download outside of steam.
22:16
It’s what I use.
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22:17
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
Steam is the largest vr distribution platform and vr solution. Opting for something specialized at this time seems like it would throw up more barriers to adoption
JD
22:18
John Der
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Karel spent millions of millions of dollars on buybacks. He won’t the third party token happen and owns 42.5% share
22:20
If Frooxius insists on letting NCR become a third party token, then it’s war with Karel.
AS
22:20
Al Smith
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Yeah but where did he get the money to spend on that from the initial sale of all the NCR stuff to begin with so really that isn’t a good thing that Carl was able to do that he already had the money to do that from the ICO
JD
22:21
John Der
And war not only destroys NCR, but also NeosVR
22:21
Hope the team and Frooxius understand the risks
22:23
We’ll see what’s going to happen. Team and Frooxius shouldn’t underestimate Karel’s determination of defending NCR
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22:27
Winston
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Frooxius did in porpose
PT
22:27
Peter Thiel
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No. karel wants the community to share the wealth. Right now it looks like the cost of education is a bit high. It makes sense that successful cryptocurrency projects would need the backing of the ethereum community. Historically innovation has been driven by the wealthy. karel could well seek the support of the wealthy in the ethereum community
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23:14
Firr
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I don't want to assign blame, however I feel this question needs to be asked. Do you think that as the chief executive officer you should have done more to have gotten the permission system/marketplace into the game sooner? Traditionally feature roadmaps fall under the role of the executive team.
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23:21
Grace
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So dev team do benefited from the fund raised? this is an important fact to be shown to the public. Based on this, Frooxius cannot simply discard ncr as if they never had a touch as what he stated in his announcement.
23:25
Karel do you consider to seek for help from some publicity professionals? Words going around NCR on social media currently is disaster.
23:25
Buy back is no use to hold the price when people are losing faith because of rumors and conflicting announcements
p
23:26
prozac
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My understanding is at least some of the team had existing CFDT and NCR - so they at least indirectly benefited from the spike in price and ICO, assuming they sold at those higher prices.

The least charitable view of the situation (for which there isn't actual any evidence of yet) would be that those team members sold their holdings with fore-knowledge that Froox and team intended to remove Karel and NCR in advance of publicly disclosing this information.
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23:26
Grace
I believe you need the help of some professional publicity at this time mostly!