Neos Metaverse - Neos Credits
5 March 2022
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Karel Hulec
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Not like there a whole lot of it. π
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Kulza
welp permissions are wrong
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Chaky Leck
welp gotta fix perms cause these kids
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
Prepare to interface new users
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Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
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Ohh, hello
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Kodufan
this meme has goddamn weekly installments what
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Orc
can we ban this unfunny comic flooding the chat? thatd be super.
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Karel Hulec
sure good point
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Orc
Bye ho
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Kodufan
rip lil man
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rip uwu lever, we never got to see what it did
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Kari
What is the difference between this group and the previous one??
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Kodufan
I believe this one is official
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Orc
its the real deal
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Kodufan
Dictated official by Karel
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PK
remove Khosumi
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Orc
givw khosumi a chance
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PK
he's the one who always teases you on discord
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Lucaedr
Because it's a throwaway account and wants to remove those with opinions other than their own?
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Karel Hulec
Lurking is welcome in here π
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Karel Hulec
But new website first.
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Zaravi
Excited to see the marketplace come to life!
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Kari
Well, please tell me, dear CEO! I want to ask, as your major investor, I invested in NCR -44000$. And I haven't exhausted my coins yet, as I still believe, but I need to hear from you, please explain whether the coin will have NCR in the future. and will she work in the store in the future! What is planned at all? just please explain without cheating! it will depend on whether to keep the coin for yourself or not!
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15:04
Karel Hulec
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The signature was removed shortly after we found about it. Not there currently.
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Winston
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Why you dont you post this on twitter, in order to combat some fud.
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xLinka
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Will the new site rebrand have a new color scheme or staying the same just checking if I need to update a art piece I'm working on if it needs updating ?
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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Hmm. I don't think you'll be able to sell that many right now.
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Kodufan
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NCR is not a governance token. Whether you own 0 NCR or all 50m, you have no more a say in how Karel operates than anyone else
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15:06
Karel Hulec
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Neos Credits are still planned to be the main currency of Neos Metaverse. There will be a licensing system and Neos Store. I hope this is all just a temporary bump in the road and will do what I can to make these things happen. π
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Karel Hulec
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Mods not being part of toxic anticrypto community helps π
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Winston
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I think so but froxius is a serious issue, maybe he is a genius in the metaverse world but in the real.world.his attitude is too childish.
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Kodufan
The key rift in the "anticrypto" community is that there's a group of people who care about Neos as a platform to build and socialize on and a group of people who only care about the money they could make with NCR
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To be "anticrypto" is to prioritize the success of Neos above the success of NCR
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Firr
Does anyone know who did the art for the whitepaper?
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Kodufan
my money is on Andrea
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she has experience in design
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Kodufan
oh wait no the art specifically, idk
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Kari
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I understand that! But the team has to work together, right! And here we see that there are big disagreements between the team! As an investor, I should just know if it's worth selling them or not! Right?
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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Well, to be anticrypto is not integrate wallets and blockchain directly in Neos and instead depend on centralized services instead of decentralized ones.
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Karel Hulec
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It's not one or the other. If Neos does well so does Neos Credits and the other way around. People making money in Neos is good for Neos. It's pretty simple.
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Kodufan
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Integrating wallets into Neos is centralizing it by definition. All NCR inside Neos is centralized
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
For Neos to truly benefit from the blockchain, it should be using NFTs for tracking asset ownership. It should be using cryptocurrencies for doing transactions (and not a centralized service) etc.
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Feyyore UwU
And how will the seperation away from neos affect the growth of ncr without something "physical" backing it with its own name involved.
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Kulza
i do like the art for it
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15:14
Karel Hulec
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Yeah Mirko Grisendi also known as Hurca! Amazing lineart, so glad to be working with him.
https://www.behance.net/hurca
https://www.behance.net/hurca
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Kari
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So if the game is a success, then NCR.. it will rise in price, and everyone will be happy and satisfied. and also investors, right?
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grinchfox Colinsgrove
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No success of NCR without Neos, so you have to prioritize it
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Karel Hulec
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That's the plan. Alongside with creators who will have a lot of rich customers and Community Awards.
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
If it's not a stable currency, people won't trust it for doing transactions
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Kulza
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im not a fan of the stereotypical "corporate" style that is most of that work so im glad the neos stuff looks different
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Kodufan
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Idk really. The goal is for Neos to succeed. Anyone can make a token like NCR. Neos itself is special, though. Once NCR is inside neos, there is no functional difference between it and, say, USDC, If Neos used USDC it would be much easier, there would be no swap fees which lower the barrier to entry/exit, and the value is held stable which instills faith in the economy
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
If the changes in currency changes are smaller, like similar to the fluctuations Linden dollars have, it'll probably be fine.
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Firr
wouldn't having a limited supply create a deflationary environment and be, by design, harmful to holders that don't see it as an investment?
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Kodufan
The only issue here is that using USDC with neos can only start generating profit when a marketplace exists so that transactions can be taxed
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Karel Hulec
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deflaton is good for holders, inflation is bad for holders
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Feyyore UwU
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Exactly, and its also part of the namesake. so once that has been split in twain its just then another crypto with a smaller start and an odd name.
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grinchfox Colinsgrove
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This means using custom coin was bad idea in first place.
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Peter Thiel
There is also the need for community mods to spread the knowledge of cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrency still needs to be spread in an organized way like Catholicism
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Kodufan
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Yeah kinda was. It adds a layer of gas and swap fees, if implemented in a marketplace would instill worry that the price could change drastically, and also be another confusing step to have to learn to deal with if you want to buy or sell
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Kari
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who are you writing this on behalf of? Do you mean by this that the project may not be successful? I just want to find out and move on, maybe I still want to invest in projects! and what you say I know in practice, for 6 years already!
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Karel Hulec
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Having the token less volatile is certainly better. Thats part of why buybacks have a role.
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The important part is that it is deflationary, while for example USDC isn't.
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grinchfox Colinsgrove
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Would it be stable if it was backed by market ?
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15:20
Karel Hulec
I think it would be pretty stable.
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Kodufan
Do you want a currency used inside of neos to be a currency for speculation or for utility? Trying to have one that does both will do both poorly as we've seen
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Firr
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But if it's supposed to replace "stable" fiat transactions in marketplace transactions, isn't that inherently bad?
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Kodufan
If you want a token with low volatility, USDC. Then, neos profits on a % of transaction from inside neos. I struggle to see the issue there
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Kari
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Dear CEO . do you have a plan with the current situation? maybe you need help!? Can you buy all the shares from the second half and assemble your team for you?
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15:22
Karel Hulec
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We've not seen Neos with Neos Store yet. I would say utility token and currency primarily.
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Peter Thiel
The supply of ncr is too small to be suitable as a universal currency. We have studied that the universal currency needs such a supply of shib
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Lucaedr
Shib is a meme token of a meme token that will only go down unless speculation and popularity push it forward... So shib is definitely not a good example. dai and usdc are better utility examples.
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Kodufan
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I've heard this argument before. Nothing that holds worth is 100% stable. What we aim for is relatively how stable something is. And it turns out fiat like the usd or euro are infinitely more stable than any kind of non fiat backed cryptocurrency
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Karel Hulec
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Theres 50M with 14 decimal places that is a lot of divisibility and we can add more. The Whitepaper has subunit names as well.
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Kodufan
What's the point of a limited supply if the goal is to have a utility token? What utility does limiting the supply provide?
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Gunnar
My question is, how would NCR ever stabilize? What would cause such an event
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Kodufan
Limiting the supply is something you'd do if you have speculation in mind. As you said karel, the neos market would benefit more from a utility token. Gotta pick one
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Karel Hulec
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Why would you have to pick one. It can both be used as currency and rise in value over time.
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Kari
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What do you think about it directly? if the teams are divided, then what's the point of discussing the future of NCR at all..??
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Kodufan
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a speculative currency doesn't just rise in value over time. If NCR isn't backed by anything than it can go all over the place, which we are seeing now
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Peter Thiel
A universal currency needs to be between $0.0001-$0.001 to be the best micro-payment instrument.
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15:28
Karel Hulec
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Not sure I like the word speculative, that could be said of almost any monetary instrument. Neos Credits is backed by Neos Metaverse utility.
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Kodufan
the point of a token for neos isn't to increase in value just like the point of a usd isnt to increase in value. Its a certain unit of value you can trade for other things. That's what the marketplace needs. If you want your money to increase in value, put it in a savings account
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the worth of trust in NCR's connection to Neos isn't worth anything, Back it with something stable like established fiat
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Karel Hulec
The point of USDC is to be a stablecoin that decreases in value together with USD. Ethereum is a better example of an token that both has an utility and rises in value over time.
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Kodufan
A wallet full of USDC is an eWallet full of USD. If I have a bucket of cash on my desk it doesn't magically go up in value
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The goal of currency isnt to automatically go up in value on its own, thats what investments are for
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Kodufan
the goal of a currency is to have as stable a value as possible
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15:31
Karel Hulec
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It could but goverments and banks are indirectly taxing holders by printing more.
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Gunnar
How do i work with items in the neos marketplace if Im gonna buy my 5 dollar hamburger for a to-be-25-dollar-value
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Kodufan
which is a tangent completely unrelated to this point
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Lucaedr
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Unfortunately with the lack of utility right now in Neos it is 90% speculation and 10% utility where the only utility is trading between users and storage rental... I think NCR just exploded way too early and if this happened a year from now you guys would be much better off.
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Kodufan
its the neos store, not the neos investment bank. it needs a currency that is stable just like popular fiat which is why i keep saying USDC. the point of the store is to trade something worth something for a product or service. That's it
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Karel Hulec
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I agree, when we released NCR the info I got from dev is that LIC and Neos Store are just around the corner. I'm a patient person, but it's been a long time and we really need to see NCR have more utility then it has at this time.
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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How does Neos development make a profit off USDC to be sustainable?
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Kodufan
yeah
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Khosumi
yo wtf
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
NCR exists today in its form today, because it helped make development sustainable.
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Lucaedr
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This is the unfortunate part that happened when it ended up picked up by a ton of crypto traders that fed into it way before it should've been hyped.
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Orc
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NCR was a patreon reward and froox said neos would be dead 2 years ago if not for NCR's funding, lol
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Gunnar
Kodu seemed fine. Wha
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lol
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Feyyore UwU
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agreed. That seemed like a perfectly cival conversation to me.
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15:38
Khosumi
This is completely against Neos' spirit
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Karel Hulec
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This is not true, I see him only spreading negative sentiment against NCR. We can have a discussion but civil.
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Orc
ok ok masks off stop pretending all you lil creeps arent over in discord just using this place to get drama from
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you lil fuckers lol
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Gunnar
Negativity?! What?
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15:39
Khosumi
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Hey that's against moderation guidelines, negative discussion about NCR is tolerated
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Karel Hulec
Ok lets add him back.
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Orc
maybe we're just tired of bad faith discussions
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Karel Hulec
Fair point.
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Orc
fine I like kodu i think
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Karel Hulec
I thought he is FUDing but he might not have been.
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Peter Thiel
Karel We feel that DAO is important for the governance of the metaverse, what do you think
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15:42
Khosumi
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Negative discussion about the token is tolerated. Your emotions are not grounds for bans.
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15:42
Karel Hulec
Actually negative discussion about Neos Credits won't be tolerated in here. π
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15:42
Khosumi
So you are against your moderation team
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15:42
Karel Hulec
That's what Neos Discord is for.
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Hualili
I just donβt get it. If you donβt like $ncr, sell and leave
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15:43
Karel Hulec
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A safe environment for the people that want to be constructive and positive about Neos Metaverse and Neos Credits.
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15:43
Khosumi
That's dangerous
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Feyyore UwU
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how can you have an unbiased discussion of it if you can only talk about the positive side?
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Gunnar
I came here seeing this as the NCR discussion channel which inheritly would include negative discussion. We cant we expected to be a 100% positive place. Should rename this place to NCR safe space if you want that instead
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Lucaedr
I'll be constructive about the Neos metaverse and be constructive about both. Unfortunately there's positive and negative discussion in anything when it comes to constructive criticism.
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15:44
Khosumi
You are violating every guidelines set in place for an inclusive environment for discussion for *ALL* people, set by the Neos team
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Gunnar
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A lot of us don't even hate ncr. We are just upset with how it was handled
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based
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Feyyore UwU
oh ouch
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15:46
Karel Hulec
This channel is not becoming another anti NCR dump.
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Gunnar
No one is saying NCR is bad?
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Orc
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whats constructive because do you think I can ever convince you crypto is good and open and better for the metaverse? I didnt think so
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so why we pretending to be "cpnstructive" here when ppl jus want to be adversarial
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Hualili
Go back to discord, you have plenty room there now
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We wonβt bother discord, so leave us alone here
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Lucaedr
I'm here because I want to hear news about NCR and hope that constructive criticism is followed. An echo chamber is never good for development of anything.
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15:49
Karel Hulec
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Feedback has to be primarily constructive. If you see something that doesn't work feel free to come up with a solution to improve it. That would actually help. π
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Orc
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so could you EVER be swayed to think ncr is a good thing? or that karel should be allowed to conduct himself in his company without a coucil of 12 needing to sign off on everything he does?
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sincerely
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Karel Hulec
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More of a shareholder thing than an employee thing but generally true.
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Orc
I am too or atleast I hope ETH 2.0 will put an end to PoW
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Hualili
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Great. Then vitalik Twitter could be your better place to rise up this very important issue maybe?
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Faisal
So Karel
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Where do we go from here
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Give us an idea
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15:55
Karel Hulec
We have a new website coming next week, staking, possibly new videos and hires. The future of Neos is good.
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Khosumi
Can we know more about these hires
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15:56
Karel Hulec
They seem to have fired themselves.
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Faisal
Karel has plenty money for a new tea,
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Who will probably be better lol
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Faisal
These guys have been very slow
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Orc
i know a red turtle vore fetishist who can code 3 times faster than froox. He will be the new neos lead dev going forward
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Hualili
Yep
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Faisal
And staking to be expected his month?
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15:58
Karel Hulec
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Frooxius got a preview about a month ago. Zero feedback so far just as expected.
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prozac
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That's all good - but control, or at least usage, of the code and in-game development is paramount above everything else. If Froox can just lock you out of Neos and treat you like a third party with no input into platform itself, then all else is for naught
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15:59
Karel Hulec
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This doesn't have to do much with me personally. This is the relationship of Frooxius vs Solirax Ltd.
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Who is the owner of Neos Metaverse.
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Hualili
Actually Iβm very optimistic. Itβs better earlier than latter we go part ways with those toxic f*y community
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Censoring myself what to blame
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unless its funny
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j/k dont do it
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Lucaedr
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Part ways with which community? Because in neos I don't see toxic community... I see helpful and curious community.
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Hualili
Anime robot community are happy to join
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Orc
I like furries as much as any other internet subculture and theyre not all nasty assholes like over on discord
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prozac
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Solirax is just a legal entity - who is acting on its behalf at the moment if not you? How does the third minority shareholder play into all of this? Is Rothenberg even an active fund at this point? Have they been involved in communications recently; are they even aware of the current dispute?
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Karel Hulec
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That's why I said primarily. A little negative feedback is ok. Most people in the group fudding is not.
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Lucaedr
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Orc
stop pretending to not be over in discord mocking teh chat like damn
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making shit hard for him to mod
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Lucaedr
I'll be around and I don't know why you'd "censor" the word furry.
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Hualili
I thought here is only a positive echo chamber that some people donβt like
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Then just leave us alone
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Lucaedr
An echo chamber is not something that should be created. A place for discussion and criticism makes sense to me. Like NCR has many areas of improvement to be used functionally as a utility token including utility created in neos. Right now it's mostly a speculation token and this is where a ton of problems have extended from.
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prozac
People want a space to discuss the future of NCR given recent events, without rehashing all of the same arguments about how crypto is bad/NCR should be out of Neos, etc. Doesn't necessarily mean it is an echo chamber. This isn't hard to understand.... there is a time for debate, and a time for more coordinated discussion.
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Hualili
It depends. When discord became an echo chamber. Then maybe we need one too
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Karel Hulec
Yeah when it was created we really needed the money not to go bankrupt and the plan was for devs to shortly bring utility to it by launching the Neos Store.
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If we had Neos Store all this wouldn't be happening for sure.
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I'm starting to doubt that there was even a true intention to make it happen.
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Peter Thiel
ncr needs to work on getting support from the ethereum community, the cryptocurrency community, I have some old engineers around me who have $300 million in btc, just because they are afraid of the web2 team and don't come to support ncr
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Lucaedr
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I suppose that's a question for the teams' private discussions. I'd imagine it was still intended to be introduced... Just at a further out timeline while the core functionality and UI was reworked.
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Karel Hulec
If we had Neos Store and a lot of users we most likely wouldn't have to change tokenomics.
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Kal is a well known fudster.
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Khosumi
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I would like to clarify something, because in the original PDF with tomas' signature, the metadata shows me it was created on the 3rd of march, and his announcement came out yesterday, the 4th, which lines up with this
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SIGNATURE is with your HAND.
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How idiocy.
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Lucaedr
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An updated date stating he agreed with it... That's approval using his name.
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Gunnar
Digital signatures are a thing
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Kulza
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Karel was talking about the website. not the whitepaper. we dont know when froox was shown the website and it could have easily been a month ago
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Lucaedr
I have digitally signed everything since 2014 at my work... Including fedex deliveries, work forms, etc.
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I don't know what 1990's world you're living in.
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Greyfus Gymir
There are digital signatures..... But they have a digital thumbprint
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Lucaedr
The two accounts were created today so...
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Greyfus Gymir
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What.....is this chat
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Winston
Aha where is the digital certified. Ignorant cunt
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Greyfus Gymir
I only just joined, but it feels creepy
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16:16
Lucaedr
In reply to this message
Alright... Love the namecalling but it's certified online? Using your Name and dob.
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16:16
Winston
THAT WASNT A SIGNATURE PERIOD.
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Winston
Its a name in a no.oficially document
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16:17
Lucaedr
I can check the date that accounts were created. Orc and Winston were created today.
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16:17
Winston
How childish is that arsehole.
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16:17
Kodey
I do want to clarify that digital signatures are a real thing. I sign all my work related documents with a certificate and an image of my signature (the certificate proves it is me)
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16:18
Kulza
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karel was talking about the WEBSITE when he said froox saw it a month ago
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16:18
Winston
THAT WASNT A SIGNATURE PERIOD
Gunnar invited Dovah
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16:19
Karel Hulec
DocuSign has some kind of a process for signing and generates a certificate. The Whitepaper was just someone typing in Tomases name by mistake. That is very different. :D
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16:19
Winston
That arsehole deliberate dumped NCR
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16:19
Feyyore UwU
please reread the query for goodness sake
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16:19
Firr
In reply to this message
I believe the concern is the implication that all parties were in agreement at the release of the paper. I do not think anyone is arguing that it was a legally binding signature.
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16:19
Winston
Leave
16:20
He deliberated dumped a token
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16:20
Winston
Criminal charges he commited
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16:21
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
A factor was that it was released in quite a hurry to prevent liquidity failing.
16:21
It was fixed right after so I don't really see why it is still a problem guys.
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16:21
Its a fraud.
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16:22
Karel Hulec
Yes Frooxius did a hateful public statement - not the first one - tanking NCR instead of asking me in private to remove the signature like a sane person.
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Faisal
The signature was removed end of story peeps jeez
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Greyfus Gymir
If he absolutely made it clear he did not concent, I'd say it's quite concerning.
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16:23
Gunnar
Froox has never made any hateful statements. He is stating his side and concerns. Karel has never addressed any of the points from any of froox's posts. Which concerns me as a holder
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16:23
Lucaedr
I mean, if namecalling and calling me a cunt is against guidelines would appreciate winston being removed... But if not well... Great.
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16:23
Faisal
Why you gonna harp on about it lol
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16:23
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
Yeah whatever it was, the important thing is it's gon now.
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16:24
Winston
In reply to this message
Sue him he deliberated dumped the token.and millions are lost.
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16:24
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
You think his statement was positive helpful to increase NCR value which was already very low?
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16:24
Winston
In third world countries he would being shot with a gun.
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16:25
Khosumi
In reply to this message
But you were about to publish a document with his signature on it without consent
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16:25
Readun
How can be that winston can insult people and still be in here while others are kicked and banned when they just joined?
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16:25
Lucaedr
.webp)
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16:25
Karel Hulec
yeah a sane person would ask privately for us to fix the mistake before nuking Neos publicly
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16:25
Feyyore UwU
In reply to this message
Wow turn down the spice there chap. we are trying to keep this nice and civil
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16:25
Winston
Millions worth more than his nuts life.
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16:26
Gunnar
In reply to this message
I never said this either. But it would have been better for you to have a better communication with them in the first place. As a result of not giving froox enough time to discuss NCR's future and going on without him, it has created this divide. I'm not surprised NCR is falling because of this disconnect
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Faisal
Yeah seems Froox has no care for all those who lost a lot of money
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16:27
really?
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REALLY??!
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Winston
He should keep in private
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16:27
Greyfus Gymir
Um.... I see people I know getting nuked and assholes being allowed to stay. This is less an NCR chat and more a Praise Karel and don't be against him. So any debating thoughts tend to get kicked
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I'm sorry
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Winston
Making it public provoced all this mess
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He is fully responsible.
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Greyfus Gymir
I just joined.... And Karel lost my trust
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Goodbye
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Winston your an ass
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16:28
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
Frooxius is a very smart person and is manipulating public sentiment. Not giving me any feedback on anything and then criticizing things publicly is one of the favorite tools.
16:28
Also asking me not to say anything so I get criticized both if I say something and if I don't.
16:30
I am, just explaining to Gunnar the situation.
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16:30
Khosumi
In reply to this message
Personally, (hindsight 20/20, yes yes, but just for future reference) I would have personally liked if, for example the office hour thing, you would have said in the announcement channel "After reconsideration, I will not be hosting an office hour, sorry for the inconvenience"
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And I would have fully understood
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16:31
Karel Hulec
I did say that I have been asked not to do it.
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16:31
Khosumi
but not in the announcements channel
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we have to search for it, that's our issue
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16:31
Karel Hulec
And chose not to do it to help negotiations and relations.
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16:32
Readun
The Discord vote was the moment for me where you began to look wierd and untrustfull. Sadly your actions keept looking it more and more wrong and worrying instead of explaing stuff.
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16:32
Khosumi
It's true, I'm not ragging on you for it, I'm just laying out what we as a community like when announcements go out from any party
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16:32
Gunnar
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His entire post was feedback was it not? If not the recent one, then the one previous was definitely feedback for you. It would seem as result of faulty internal communication that Froox has had gone public about his position. I can't be certain, and choosing sides is usually wrong. But Froox has provided much more extensive communication about what's going on in Neos than you Karel.
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Peter Thiel
So what are you waiting for? Be tough, give him some blow, the CTO and the team deserve to be punished
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16:33
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
haha NCR channel was not public? It is something that regards NCR. The people that are interested in NCR are there.
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16:33
Khosumi
No no, karel, that's not what I'm saying
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16:33
Karel Hulec
Or were I should say.
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16:33
Khosumi
I know the NCR channel is publicly available to see
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What I mean is that an important communication in the announcements channel is preferred
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16:34
Feyyore UwU
I'll be honest, anyone new to neos and ncr looking for a feel of it on this chat would not have the best first impressions. as shown by Grey earlier. I doubt this will help the cause much. >.>
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16:34
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
I was not trying to get everyones opinion. Just the people that happen to see it.
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16:34
Khosumi
In reply to this message
Can this be removed? constantly wishing harm upon others is inexcusable
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16:34
Faisal
Yeah he needs to chill out
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16:34
Readun
In reply to this message
NCR Channel =/= Announcement channel.
For Big actions like you did the vote, that should have been used. (But I think thats been said already several times)
For Big actions like you did the vote, that should have been used. (But I think thats been said already several times)
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16:35
Kodey
In reply to this message
I am curious, you said that it wouldn't be used to make a decision, and then immediately made a decision based off it back when it happened. why bother saying it was just to see opinions and not to make a decision if that was not the plan?
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16:36
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
I did not act on the polls. I acted as I though is right. Do you think cutting the ICO short and moving funds to staking is not a good idea?
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How smart
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16:36
Karel Hulec
It is clearly a great course of action.
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Gunnar
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Most people do not know this or even believe that you act out of will vs the polls. Polls naturally are used to convey opinions to be acted upon, which you did. Additionally a lot of us do not know anything about staking, or the implications of it. You have a lot of people who know very little about crypto.
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16:37
Khosumi
I am seriously going to start questioning integrity if death threats aren't dealt with
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Hualili
In reply to this message
I could understand you got hurt from discord just like some of us. But chill a bit
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16:38
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
Yeah because it's a good and logical thing to do. If you made a poll whether you should open an umbrella when it rains people would probably agree as well.π
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16:38
Lucaedr
At this point if negotiations are still ongoing and both sides are asking the other to stay quiet and both are still talking... Should just get an NDA out there that extends for however long the negotiations are going for... And have an announcement here and in the #announcements where it's stated no side is capable of releasing information relating to the discussions and anything from there is hearsay. I don't know... I just wish you guys the best luck in figuring it out.
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16:38
Gunnar
And most people know how to open an umbrella under rain. xP
vs. opening a crypto wallet
vs. opening a crypto wallet
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16:39
Lucaedr
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I know I have a problem with the namecalling and requests for killings/physical altercations.
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16:39
Hualili
The poll thing is over.
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16:39
prozac
Negotiations have clearly reached a dead end at this point. Unfortunately it seems this will all need to be resolved in court.
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16:39
Karel Hulec
The Memorandum has that aspect. It is somewhat disadvantageous to me as Froox will just encourage other devs to fud, but it would be still better than this I think.
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Gunnar
Curious why you say the dev team is spreading FUD. All their communications seem to be about you Karel, actually. Little to do with NCR itself.
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prozac
Both sides have stated completely opposite positions with regards to ownership of code for example. Ambiguity on this isn't something that can continue.
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16:41
Gunnar
Except for the most recent post of course
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16:41
Khosumi
Remove winston
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16:41
Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
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Yeah, the sad thing is that the team doesn't really have a problem with NCR itself. It's just collateral in the entire grand argument.
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16:42
prozac
Winston crossed the line, I would support kicking him. Also a huge distraction to actual discussion at this point
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16:42
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
We still don't have staking or even a date when it will start. That will be an announcement. The Whitepaper 1.05 announced allocation of funds.
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16:42
Khosumi
Karel, stop this discussion and remove winston
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Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
Who's admin in here? That's not okay
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16:42
Karel Hulec
Not sure what law requires us to announce our plans.
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16:43
Khosumi
Remove winston
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Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
And noone else?
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16:43
Winston
No censorship
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16:43
Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
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Dude the fuck that's no censorship. You can't be running around giving death threats to people
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16:43
Khosumi
Karel, remove winston
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16:43
Nick_CHI
Frooxius ask karel to be quiet then let dev team spread rumors like they never got paid and some devs are on poverty line
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16:43
Lucaedr
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You say "no censorship" and want people who have differing opinions on NCR out of here. Ok.
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Gunnar
Karel, please, remove, winston
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Nick_CHI
I understan how winston feels
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16:44
This will go public
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16:44
Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
I'm... stunned Karel has not done that yet
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wtf
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Nick_CHI
Furries are celebrating in discord and telegram at this time
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16:44
Already.
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16:45
Kodey
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Did you miss the screenshots of him threatening to shoot froox?
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16:45
Nick_CHI
They are basially making jokes about how ncr holders lost their money
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16:45
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
This is some private chat don't post that in here please.
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Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly]
Karel... you can't be serious.
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Okay I'm out
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Kodey
oh my god
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16:45
Lucaedr
Alright... Then I can scroll up a bit.
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16:45
Feyyore UwU
In reply to this message
Erm the past half hour or responses they have given to anyone even speaking a word to them? you do modorate this chat right?
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Kodey
Karel I am sorry but what
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Nick_CHI
Lol
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prozac
Karel this is reflecting very poorly on you... be a CEO and take decisive action on what should be clear right thing to do
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16:46
Nick_CHI
In china, frooxius will be in prison already
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16:46
Khosumi
Karel if you fail at removing winston this situation will go public
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16:46
Nick_CHI
So are furries
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δΊεΉ΄ι«θ
can send frooxius in prison
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16:47
Karel Hulec
I actually agree that in some countries he would be in danger. He lost a lot of people a lot of money.
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Kodey
If you want people to take you seriously Karel you need to take other people seriously. It does not look good to just ignore that someone is threatening to kill your "opponent"
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16:47
Lucaedr
I mean, this is pretty ridiculous. It's a private chat where he lashed out from here? Yeah, it's pertinent to this group.
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16:47
Nick_CHI
Furries are so double standarded
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Hualili
Winston is definitely not right here, but why people have so much anger
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16:47
Khosumi
You leave me no choice, I am making this matter public
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16:48
Karel Hulec
Please reply to a comment Windston was threating to kill someone.
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16:48
Nick_CHI
They took crypto money and then mocking these poor people for investing in ncr
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16:48
Lucaedr
If someone DMs me in any telegram group or discord threatening great bodily hard or death they are always removed.
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Nick_CHI
If anything happens to these furries, i think they got what they asked for lol
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16:48
Lucaedr
This has your name, ID, and you attacked me from this chat.
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Doesn't matter that its a "private chat" He lashed out from here.
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Hualili
So just go to private chat or block him
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Lucaedr
If he wasn't here he would've have done so.
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16:49
Kodey
Karel you of all people should understand that "off platform" actions still matter
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π
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Nick_CHI
Hey furries
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Which one is worse
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Karel Hulec
I didn't delete any of Winston messages
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Nick_CHI
Make people actually lost their saving or just mere words?
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16:51
Karel Hulec
Maybe he did?
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Hard to say, didn't see them.
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16:51
Gunnar
Karel, while he may not be the most explicit here, he is sending your holders death threats as well as mentioning shooting froox. Not only this, hes just disruptive to the channel.
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Feyyore UwU
Ah so we can say whatever we want as long as we delete it before you check... gotcha
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16:51
Kodey
In reply to this message
I agree, karel causing everyone who put money into ncr to lose all their savings is much worse.
However it is their fault for trusting ncr to gain a ton of value, I have been saying forever that things that go up quickly go down quickly
However it is their fault for trusting ncr to gain a ton of value, I have been saying forever that things that go up quickly go down quickly
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16:52
Karel Hulec
If he is a NCR holder I get his anger, frankly I'm angry as well my company is the biggest NCR holder of them all.
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16:52
Kodey
I have to restart my phone to apply an update, I shall return.
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16:52
Khosumi
Death threats are inexcusable
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Khosumi
Your morals are being questioned
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16:53
Nick_CHI
Your furries are unbelievable
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16:53
Karel Hulec
I have seen no death threat in this group by Winston.
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16:53
Lucaedr
In reply to this message
Ok, but he's gone from this group and DM'd multiple people with these death threats.
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16:53
Karel Hulec
Thats a private thing sorry.
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Nick_CHI 05.03.2022 16:53:09
Your furries are unbelievable
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16:54
Karel Hulec
And could be photoshopped as well as far as I know.
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16:54
Kodey
In reply to this message
Yes, by mishandling ncr quite a lot during November/December/January
Believe it or not I do like ncr. And I do want neos to succeed with an in game economy
Believe it or not I do like ncr. And I do want neos to succeed with an in game economy
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Lucaedr
Not fud
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Lucaedr
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Winston 05.03.2022 16:40:58
So i.maybe ill gonto shoot thomas
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Lucaedr
Forwarded directly from him
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Not photoshop
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16:54
Nick_CHI
Furries got what they deserved for being a total prick mocking ncr holders for their loss
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16:55
Hualili
so just block Winston if he send something to you privately
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16:55
Nick_CHI
Id be happy to see justice is done to them
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16:55
Sarr Cat
In reply to this message
And what do we deserve exactly? Harassment? That's ok because you have a grudge against a section of the community?
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16:55
Lucaedr
If you're going to defend people like this, so be it. I'll block those that send death threats but leaving those people in your community is the problem right now.
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16:55
Hualili
In reply to this message
Really? I leave discord long time ago. And they think they are civil
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16:56
Nick_CHI
In reply to this message
How about frooxius isolated karel and trying to kick him out and ncr after he doesnt need them anymore?
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16:56
Khosumi
I have exported this chat, and is going public.
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16:57
Sarr Cat
Oh fun
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16:57
Nick_CHI
In reply to this message
In the other telegram and discord, furries are literally making fun of ncr holders loss
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I mean literally
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16:57
Lucaedr
In reply to this message
That's a small portion of people who are... I'm not making fun of anyone and I'm sitting holding a bag as well.
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16:57
Hualili
We are not police
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If he reached out from somewhere else I'd be reporting them there.
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16:58
Hualili
Block him for god sake
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16:58
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
Is there a way to go see the original message if you click it or something?
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16:58
Hualili
Or report it on tg
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If you want I can export the chat logs, etc... Anything you'd want.
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16:59
Karel Hulec
Again I'm not private message police, theres a blocking feature on here.
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Hualili
Then again itβs private msg. Report him in your private chat.
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Lucaedr
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Hualili
I thought discord has a ton of police
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17:00
Nick_CHI
In reply to this message
Well, i think what frooxius did could actually cost someones life
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17:00
Hualili
And you guys would love their
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17:00
Nick_CHI
And furries are making fun of it
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FU
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17:00
Nick_CHI
And u guys make a fucking big deal of somenes mere angry words
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17:01
Khosumi
it's kind of a felony
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little illegal
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just a bit
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17:01
Nick_CHI
While someone may have lost their actual saving and family
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17:01
Karel Hulec
Yes people will be pissed if you dump the token they hold a lot of. Very natural. Some animosity is expected and it is to extend very understandable. If there is a threat in this group (not DM) me and other mods will delete it and ban the user.
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17:02
Peter Thiel
Can you guys just get out of here? We're angry. We need a place to heal.
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17:02
Hualili
I recommend a place: discord
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17:02
Nick_CHI
In reply to this message
Yea? If frooxius is in same country as mine, he would be buried in mountain now
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Lol
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Sarr Cat
In reply to this message
And you don't think there's anything wrong with someone putting so much of their money on the line that they would put themself at that risk? Risky actions can have bad consequences.
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17:02
Nick_CHI
U think making fun of peoples money is joke?
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17:03
Lucaedr
I'm here for announcements and NCR updates since this is apparently going to be the place for it. That's all. Not for death threats.
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17:03
Nick_CHI
Hey i am not making threats
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17:03
Karel Hulec
Welcome Lucaedr nice to have you.
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Nick_CHI
Just saying people get mad
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Thats all
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I dont even know frooxius
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Feyyore UwU
Guess that animostity button only swings one way hah.
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17:03
Hualili
Ok discord has police and definitely safe for you guys.
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Nick_CHI
Lol
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How can furries be so blind and condesending
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17:05
Readun
Damn...
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17:06
Nick_CHI
How can they accuse someone being bad faith while their master basically just abandoned ncr
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17:06
Feyyore UwU
loving how many messages are getting deleted when we are trying to have a pleasant discourse.
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17:06
Nick_CHI
Lok
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17:06
Hualili
Discord, tg unofficial group. You name it, we were be kicking out of there. And now we just wish to have a place to cheer up a little bit.
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17:06
Yehan
Now that the gloves are completely off, could you Karel just tell us what exactly happened that led to froox being so pissed at you?
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17:06
Nick_CHI
Yea, cryptobros cant even talk properly in discord
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Mods dev team, u name it,
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Nick_CHI
All they say is pro frooxius
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Nick_CHI
Anything u say to defend ncr is checke under microscope
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17:08
Karel Hulec
That is a question for Froox but I think it is not being 100 percent in control. He seems not to be able of a compromise or anyone else having a different opinion. That's just my two cents, would hope it's the wrong assesment.
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Feyyore UwU
Pro frooxius? To be fair I have been mainly just trying to get some darned answers on things only to have the questions deleted. xD
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17:08
Nick_CHI
Furries argument for frooxius
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17:09
Sarr Cat
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Really shows a lot of people's true colors. A lot of caring only about money and crypto, none about community,and when the profit they feel they were entitled to isn't realized they lash out and say horrible things to anyone criticizing the crypto (or even any aspect of the project they like)
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17:09
Kodey
Karel- someone I know has been following ncr on discord and would like to be added here but they did not have telegram so their account will be new
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Just making sure they won't get banned for having a new account
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Yehan
In reply to this message
Surely something specific happened that led to him to decide to stop updates?
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17:09
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
Caring about crypto is caring about community, all Patrons got NCR.
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17:09
Nick_CHI
1. Frooxius was living with karel, so he was forced to do ico
2. Frooxius didnt know what karel was doing
3. Frooxius didnt have ncr
2. Frooxius didnt know what karel was doing
3. Frooxius didnt have ncr
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Lol
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17:10
Karel Hulec
Not mutually exlusive.
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17:10
Feyyore UwU
In reply to this message
Okay back to the question asked a while back that got glossed over by certain heated debats for one. the date diff on this
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17:11
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
He was not forced to do anything, could have left any time. He was working with me because it was very comfortable advantageos for him.
JT
17:11
J T
So, instead of battling over total control over courts, could the project be forked to two?
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17:11
Kari
dear CEO, please tell me. will the NCR coin change to another one? or will there be a fork??
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17:11
Nick_CHI
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What the heck u talking about? How about frooxius caring ncr and holders?
17:11
How can these furries be so ungreatful
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17:11
Illy
I dont understand. Why not give NCR a chance. Make it part of ingame enviroment and give people a chance to make a living doing what they love. Everyone will thrive.
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17:12
Nick_CHI
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I know, but thats just how furries shielding frooxius from any responsibility
KH
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17:12
Gunnar
I'll return later. See if anything calms down here. A lot of arguments against thin air
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17:13
Nick_CHI
Forget about ncr, karel, if u not fighting this back
KH
17:13
Karel Hulec
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Oh yeah all his friends are telling him he's right all the time. That has an effect on a person over time.
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17:13
Nick_CHI
U gonnr be blamed for everything
KH
17:13
Karel Hulec
Totally
17:13
Part of the job
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17:13
Nick_CHI
I dont think u should hold back anymore
JS
17:13
Joe Sylva
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What was the main reason he left living with you? Was it a disagreement with development or something personal that happened between you two?
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17:14
Hualili
froox is an 30yo adult men. Right?
KH
17:14
Karel Hulec
We've argued about Nexulan for years he always had his way, but the things I have seen Nex do were just too much.
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17:15
AdroitTheorist
Oh when was nex fired?
KH
17:15
Karel Hulec
Not sure about three months ago.
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17:15
Lucaedr
Is the trailer still in progress?
JS
17:15
Joe Sylva
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I apologize if I'm prying too much. But what sort of stuff?
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17:15
AdroitTheorist
I did hear some negative stuff around that time. Huh.
KH
17:16
Karel Hulec
Not sure Chroma who is working on it stopped communicating with my team.
17:16
We're looking into starting a separate effort.
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17:16
Lucaedr
Hopefully takes less than two years >.>
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17:17
Nick_CHI
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u have to make a statement clearing some facts, otherwise its gonna be all on you, regardless how ncr gonna be, u should speak up, explain the whole thing, make people see how self centered and naive frooxius is
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17:17
Hualili
It must be like a cult for those group of ppl. Pissed at firing a man and then he put the anger on the whole NCR community
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17:17
Nick_CHI
Frooxius is just a baby
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17:17
Illy
I still hold. Please dont abondon NCRπ
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17:18
Nick_CHI
I hate those tech nerd who thinks they are the god
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17:18
Nick_CHI
Furries and frooxius took everything for granted
17:18
Took karels effort and ncr fund
KH
17:18
Karel Hulec
Nex was very rude towards me, treated me as an illegitimate CEO, sabotaged the trailer so his video remains the first one on Steam, he was also rude at Froox and Chroma didn't enjoy working with him at all.
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17:19
Nick_CHI
For granted
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17:19
Karel Hulec
I've heard they were doing sex stuff publicly by multiple people.
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17:19
AdroitTheorist
I have also heard that.
K
17:19
Kodey
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In private after dark sessions, yes. but according to your own policy, in private shouldn't matter
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17:20
Nick_CHI
Why i am not surprised lok
KH
17:20
Karel Hulec
He was blackmailing me hard at around the time Neos launched on Steam and we had almost zero money for a pay.
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KH
17:20
Karel Hulec
Called me unproffesional when I didn't want to give him a raise.
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17:20
Nick_CHI
Why didnt u say so
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17:21
AdroitTheorist
Thats internal.
K
17:21
Kodey
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Karel I think unprofessional is how many would describe you currently, I'm sorry but it's true.
KH
17:21
Karel Hulec
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He was telling me that Neos will fail if I don't pay him or pay him more not sure now.
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17:21
Nick_CHI
Frooxius made it public
KH
17:21
Karel Hulec
That public opinion will be bad.
17:21
What a freak.
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17:21
Hualili
Threat indeed
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17:21
Al Smith
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I donβt think that is the technical criminal definition of blackmail. How were they being paid?
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17:21
Nick_CHI
I dont understand why u guys being so.hard on karel
17:22
Its just so unfair
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17:22
Hualili
Itβs a cult thing.
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17:22
Nick_CHI
Why frooxius is spoiled while karel is trearted like shit
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17:22
Illy
Its hard working with neckbeards
KH
17:22
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
Sure there are many people who put a lot of work into making me look bad with the hope it will demotivate me and I will let Frooxius zuckerberg me.
JS
17:22
Joe Sylva
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Although at the time people were not being specific about who was doing it, I heard "staff" where not making sure the room was cleared of minors and continued. Again, that's is assuming they were talking about the same incidents. Take this point with a grain of salt.
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17:22
Illy
Dont give up
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17:22
Kodey
In reply to this message
Karel calling someone a freak because they engage in sexual activity in private and want a raise because they feel the work they do is important to the platform does not make them a freak...
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17:23
Nick_CHI
Lol
17:23
Stop twisting words
KH
17:23
Karel Hulec
In reply to this message
In public although I was more regarding what he said towards me.
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17:23
Nick_CHI
Jesus
FU
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17:24
Kodey
In reply to this message
Depends on the AD servers. They are unofficial communities, and it's not on the neos team to moderate their members. I avoid interacting with AD communities on any platform because their moderation is near always very bad. It's not fair to criticize nex for the group's failure to moderate itself.
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17:24
Nick_CHI
I remember some furries claiming karel taking care of frooxius as kiddnaping lok
KH
17:25
Karel Hulec
Good night guys, it's getting late over here. See you later.
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17:25
Nick_CHI
Have a good rest
FU
17:25
Feyyore UwU
indeed ^.^
JS
17:26
Joe Sylva
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Blackmail as far as I am aware usually means they are saying "Do this specific thing or I will purposefully harm the project". Are you using the right word for what he was doing?
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17:27
Hualili
Touching without permission was a behavior by those f**y in neos and when I mentioned it up they told me vrchat has similar issue. See their whataboutism
KH
17:27
Karel Hulec
Yeah the threat was that he will sway the public opinion of Neos. Make it look bad. Same tools that are being used now to make me look bad.
JS
17:30
Joe Sylva
Damn, that is important context to some discussions being thrown around. Thank you very much for being willing to answer questions.
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17:31
Lucaedr
In reply to this message
This is definitely an issue where some people don't understand personal space... I will not get in someone's personal space without consent from the other party... Being in a world with someone isn't consent.
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17:35
Al Smith
In reply to this message
You need to go read law on blackmail. Itβs not blackmail the way Karel just laid it out. So to say it is without it really being is then liable and Karel should be careful.
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17:35
prozac
There is a criminal definition or blackmail and colloquial usage. Latter can still be a valid fireable offense in employment context, especially against a CEO
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17:36
Nick_CHI
In reply to this message
u not a lawyer, or a judge, so ur opinion is irrelevant srry
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17:37
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Why are you so d salty? I thought this was just a discussion?
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17:37
Nick_CHI
i am just stating the facts, are u a lawyer or a judge?
17:38
Is ur opinion relevant?
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No?
17:38
Who is being salty?
FU
17:38
Feyyore UwU
give the man a chance to respond jaysus
AS
17:38
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Iβve read this whole thread and you just seem super angry and salty to the point of just wanting to b righty and not have a real discussion?
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17:38
Hualili
I donβt know. Ppl just like to cherry pick karelβs words and make it a great deal from it. Maybe someone has ptsd
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17:40
Nick_CHI
In reply to this message
Hmmm, calling me angry and salty is not the answer to my question
17:40
And i dont think i am the.one who is being angry here
17:40
Lol
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17:41
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Iβm not a lawyer and neither Are you or Karel so why are you allowed to say he is being blackmailed and Iβm not allowed to state the opposite?
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17:41
Nick_CHI
Oh yea u can
FU
17:42
Feyyore UwU
and on that note I am off to bed an all. Have fun ya'll. Dont do anything i wouldn't do. Unless you delete the evidence before the mods see it.
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17:42
Nick_CHI
Everyone can
17:42
Its just i aggree with him
17:42
And neither of us is a lawyer or a judge
17:43
So we can just keep it to ourselves
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17:43
Nick_CHI
But he is the ceo
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And it happens to him
17:43
So i think.its fair to say his opinion is more important at this point
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17:43
Al Smith
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Iβve been a CEO multiple times. And tough things happen. Who is on the board of the company?
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17:44
Nick_CHI
Not here
17:44
Lol
17:44
I dont know why bring ur qualification up
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17:44
Al Smith
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So if Karel is the CEO who is his boss? Usually itβs the board?
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17:45
Nick_CHI
I dont think there is a board
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17:45
Hualili
Angle vc has 15% share of the company
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17:46
prozac
In a closely held Corp there typically isn't another boss to answer to because executives are also the shareholders
AS
17:46
Al Smith
In reply to this message
I only bring up my qualification so you can see why Iβm asking about corporate and company structure
17:47
In reply to this message
So noes is a product of a privately held company that 15% of is owned by a VC? Who is the other ownership?
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17:49
Al Smith
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Is that the voting share breakdown also ? 15% VC 42%Kaerl and 42%froox?
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17:50
Hualili
Probably
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17:51
prozac
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Ownership of product and entitlement to profits is different from copyright of the code which is what matters here
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17:52
Hualili
Right.
AS
17:52
Al Smith
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Usually code ownership is taken care of in employment contracts. So we canβt really know much until we can see the contracts that weβre out in place.
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17:52
prozac
Ya without seeing contracts we are in dark
17:54
To answer ur question tho, yes it seems split vote is owned by VC in 15% of shares
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17:54
Al Smith
I love the platform and Iβm a crypto guy. Iβd love to see both survive this. But the platform is the product not NCR. NCR derives itβs value from the platform, itβs growth, and itβs Utility in the platform. I hope they can figure out how to make both go.
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17:54
prozac
But Rothenberg got in legal trouble years ago... not clear whether it is still existing entity or what happened to those shares
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17:55
Winston
The company is almsot valueless now, its not better buy the part.of froxius new devs and resume the projec, without all this toxic people??
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17:56
prozac
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Yea, the only viable future of NCR it seems is if Karel has some legal rights to Neos platform itself. Which he claims to have under Solirax. We shall see.
17:56
Could be years before that is decided unless there is quicker settlement.
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17:57
Faisal
Surely he will have some rights as owner shareholder
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17:57
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Yeah. And by then another platform will win and we all loose :(
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17:57
prozac
In meantime, I am out and not reinvesting anytime soon. Kinda just sticking around for the drama and to see how this story ends.
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17:57
Faisal
I would say it be best if they can resolve it themselves but seems not likely
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17:57
Winston
In reply to this message
In years project is ruined, another metaverse companies are to full speed.
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17:57
Al Smith
Iβd offer to sit down with both and mediate if they want!
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17:58
prozac
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Indeed. Unfortunately Froox and his team do not seem to share that urgency.
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17:58
Winston
The company is almsot valueless now, its not better buy the part.of froxius , hire new devs and resume the project, without all this shit toxic people??
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17:59
Al Smith
I would live to help them figure it out. There is always a middle ground.
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18:00
Hualili
NCR is still a small pool so its better the whole drama happen earlier if it doomed to happen.
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18:00
prozac
Both parties dug in, neither seems likely to accept buyout. We are headed to litigation it seems
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18:01
Hualili
To build a platform like neos takes time. So I donβt worry about other platform catching up very quickly
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18:01
Winston
So. Lets buy his part and kick his ass out.
18:01
Anyway the company is almost valueless now.
AS
18:01
Al Smith
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Man I wish I could help mediate this. They had such a head start on the market in my mind. Iβm 50, an experienced tech CEO and turn around guy that plays NEOS with my son AND have been around the crypto space since 2010 lol. I can see how it can all work together to do what all parties want!
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18:02
Winston
In this case is 99% froxiuss fault.
18:02
So how mediate??
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18:03
Hualili
Sand/mana has nothing but token and community.
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18:03
Al Smith
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Well Iβm old enough to never believe itβs all one persons fault. Iβm sure both sides have issues and Iβm also sure that a middle ground can be found.
18:04
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Iβd go there and sit down with them in a room, listen to both sides, come back to them with solutions that meet their issues.
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18:04
Hualili
tbh, after seeing what f**y did, I donβt think itβs easier to get a middle ground with them. Iβm not saying karel is 100% perfect.
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18:06
Al Smith
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The fact is that they both have things they would like solved. So Simone need to help them get to a mutually agreed on solution. They donβt even need to like each other once itβs done.
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18:06
prozac
Time for mediation long past imo. The way I see it, the team never really respected Karel and only begrudgingly tolerated him and NCR over the years to handle all the administrative and financing issues that Froox and them didn't want to deal with. But with recent surge in value of NCR, no longer possible to ignore, leading to this issue. Which really is about the heart and soul of the platform. Hard to see a middle ground being reached on that.
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18:06
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Iβm sure neither side is innocent. Thatβs never the case
18:09
In reply to this message
Iβve learned itβs never to late to get two people to the table. Things can often be solved by having a cool collected mind in the middle. If they do Des cider I go legal route that will take time and would most likely disrupt the platform and NCR even more.
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18:10
Hualili
Let me be frank. Froox and dev are happy to be funded and itβs their niche f**y world now so better other ppl get out. Thatβs the only ground they wished to get to.
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18:10
Winston
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More? Its almost just the treseaury,. Cant down so much more.
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18:11
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Can you back that up with facts? Like link to stuff that backs that up?
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18:11
Firr
Forgive my ignorance, but what are the downsides to ncr being managed by a separate entity? From my understanding the goal of the Neos marketplace was that it would allow third party sales anyways, so functionally what's the difference?
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18:13
Firr
It allows $ncr to associate with other projects which it couldn't do it it were under the same entity.
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18:13
prozac
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Mediation/negotiation can still happen in the future, but not at this time imo. Both sides believe they hold all the cards and are therefore uncompromising. Both need to get beat up a little bit by lawyers to bring them back to negotiating table.
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18:13
Hualili
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If you have seen what the dev team has do to cryptobros in discord since frooxβs first announcement. Youβll have the whole pic. So as Prozac mentioned, mediation window has closed now I think.
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18:14
Firr
If another metaverse project were to pop up (say a new piece of hardware) then ncr could function as a vc fund which it can't do currently.
AS
18:14
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Iβm on the discord and have been following the NCR channel and Iβve see bad behaviour equally from both sides.
18:15
In reply to this message
The challenge with NCR being on its own is that it now has to stand on its own as a currency it doesnβt have the platform and the marketplace in the platform to drive its value. Not to say it couldnβt happen as its own stand currency in other places as well just makes it very hard for it to build in such a competitive environment whereas being part of neos it had an advantage of being the only currency built into the game which would give it the value it needs to grow on the marketplace to then be useful other places. Sorry for the long text using voice to text while driving
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18:16
Hualili
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Itβs kind of the latter half. Right after the announcement was out, the mods in discord literally kicked all cryptobros out. And thatβs when the fire lit and continues. Jack has proved that
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18:16
prozac
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The primary value to NCR is that it would be the default in-game currency of choice with advantages for native token over other alternatives like USDC or Paypal. Without the first party support, NCR just becomes like any other cryptocurrency, of which there are thousands... It's basically a soft way of saying fuck off to NCR and doesn't fool anyone for a second, hence why everyone has dumped their coins in the last day
AS
18:16
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Yeah I hear you itβs just challenging in this situation watching it kind of gets beat up as a platform for all the people who have invested their time in playing the game which is what gives it its value. That means itβs going to go through a value drop while they sort their stuff out and theyβre probably lose users etc. etc. just a shame for something thatβs really so cool and ahead of its time.
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18:17
Hualili
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Jack π©πͺ[PM friendly] 05.03.2022 17:39:13
The biggest thing I hate is the split in the community tho.
People were angry at Karel, but projected that towards the cryptobros. And that was honestly pretty disgusting to watch.
People were angry at Karel, but projected that towards the cryptobros. And that was honestly pretty disgusting to watch.
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18:18
prozac
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Yeah, i agree. This truly is worst case scenario for everyone.
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18:19
Al Smith
In reply to this message
But then the crypto Bros did the same thing in being upset with froox and Their supporters and spewed lots of hatred towards them as well. Thatβs what I mean it was on both sides
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18:20
Faisal
Surely Karel can have a say in whether itβs adopted as first party or third party too
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18:21
Hualili
In reply to this message
Iβm not defending cyptobros. But the fire was lit by one party first. And it seems even as today itβs still on. Thatβs the reason why karel create this new tg group
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18:21
prozac
Thx, you too. I've been around for months (unfortunately...)
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18:21
Faisal
He does have joint share
18:21
Maybe theyβll come up with a good compromise
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18:21
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Who knows where to land itβs all in the hands of people and organizations that we have no understanding of because we canβt see all the legal documents. So we basically have to sit and wait no matter what anyone says none of it is provable at this point for us
18:22
In reply to this message
I donβt know who started it I donβt think thatβs obvious in the threads I think it was just building overtime. And I think both sides are going a little crazy. The truth lies in the middle and reason will get to the truth itβll just take some time.
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18:22
Faisal
Yeah it is true however not just going to take Froox comments for what they are, clearly theyβre being malicious towards each other and may be saying things out of spite and not what they can actually legally do
18:23
I do have some hope for this project yet
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18:23
Al Smith
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If Iβve learned anything over the years as people fight they get more entrenched because they believe what theyβre saying to be true even though sometimes itβs not always true itβs hard as humans to be honest with ourselves but once we are we can get to the bottom of things fairly quickly because weβre very logical species.
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18:23
Faisal
Karel owns a large part of the supply through buybacks and we are effectively a tiny micro cap taken now at just over 10M MC
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18:25
Hualili
I have the same wishful thinking but after 2weeks of this shit, I think f**y has very firmly showed what their ground is. We shall respect that
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18:25
Winston
Γ me
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18:26
Faisal
I know he has 8million in one wallet
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18:26
Al Smith
In reply to this message
Iβm sure internally this has been going on for longer than two weeks! Iβve also learned through all kinds of negotiations that even a hard line in the sand is just a tactic. If they truly both care about the future of the platform they will be brought together by reason if they can sit down with someone reasonable.
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18:26
Faisal
Not sure the total amount he has
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18:26
Winston
Ok
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18:26
Faisal
But our total supply right now is only 40mil
18:26
So he has roughly 20% atleast likely closer to 25% or something
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18:27
Faisal
Yes rest for staking
18:27
Atleast some utility there too lol for now
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18:27
Al Smith
If Iβve learned anything after almost a decade In crypto these early things are always up-and-down like this. It takes years for something to smooth out and a lot of things have to go right
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18:27
Winston
Well he has money and money is a tool
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18:27
Hualili
In reply to this message
For 2 weeks I meant the days f**y shows their ground. At the beginning of the drama, people just donβt understand them
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18:27
Faisal
Overall even if this is now considered shitcoin at 10m market cap there are still many positives lol even for a shitcoin
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18:27
Winston
Froxiuss dont have as i know
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18:27
Al Smith
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OK thatβs what you meant by two weeks gotcha sorry for misinterpretation
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18:28
Faisal
In reply to this message
Gotta be brave in these times to hold on to stuff like this, but it can pay off big.
18:29
Not taking into account Karel token this is 9m cap
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18:29
Al Smith
In reply to this message
I hear you but Iβve never looked at my crypto portfolio as an actual investment portfolio in the long run this is the most risky part of my portfolio so this kind of stuff is normal just like investing in companies you can lose your whole amount very quickly and easily in risky companies all of crypto is just a risky asset class at this point anyway. So you kind of just have to buy and hold it hope something goes right.
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18:29
Faisal
Huge potential for 9m cap there is opportunity here IMO
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18:29
Winston
Are u buying??
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18:30
Faisal
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Yeah crypto as a whole is big risk these days nvm stuff like this lol
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18:30
Hualili
So just accept them, respect and donβt dream about persuading them any more. They just want a quiet place without cypto and thatβs nothing wrong actually. Separation is what Iβm looking forward to.
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18:30
Al Smith
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I started mining bitcoin in 2010 you shouldβve seen what that was like then holy crazy
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18:31
Faisal
They need some professional framework regardless that much is clear
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18:31
Al Smith
In reply to this message
I think separation would be
The worst for both the platform could use NCR and NCR needs the platform
The worst for both the platform could use NCR and NCR needs the platform
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18:31
Al Smith
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Iβm pretty sure if they would sit down with me I could help them get to a place it was mutually beneficial for everyone itβs kind of my specialty lol
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18:32
Faisal
Seems like Froox got a lot people in his ear
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18:33
In reply to this message
I play the game with my son and Iβm a crypto guy and the business guy so I love the whole project as a whole I think itβs a really cool thing. Itβs way closer to a meta-verse than anything else of the market right now in all honesty.
18:33
In reply to this message
From the outside I just think the only thing it was lacking was clear experienced leadership.
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18:35
Faisal
I agree the videos I saw got me into this project it looked like a clear winter miles ahead of the competition
18:35
Thatβs what makes this situation so frustrating
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18:35
Winston
11 mill mc
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18:36
Hualili
I think the main company behind neos has already hired the law team to fix it. Mediation will be the first thing lawyers wanna do. But I expect that f**y will not compromise anything. So next step will be the lawsuit.
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18:36
Winston
Despite karel funds is like 5 mill mc not 9
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18:36
Faisal
From Froox words seems they been at this stage for a while now with no progress
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18:38
Al Smith
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Yeah they look like theyβve been out a bit of a stalemate for quite some time but letβs be honest and start ups this is normal when thereβs multiple founders. Only time will tell if they can work it out. And itβs only going to get worked out if they both see it and love the value of the platform itself. If they both truly care about this whole platform and everything we will see a resolution quickly if even one of them doesnβt we will all loose.
18:39
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Mediation should always come before legal options. If mediation can work you save a lot of money a lot of heartache a lot of time and you maintain as much value as possible in the company.
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18:41
Yehan
Andrea I think you guys should learn from froox and respond in articles, not sentences, which can be taken out of context or misunderstood. Like today many ppl were convinced that Karel condones life threats made against froox. This is time for crisis PR management .
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18:47
Al Smith
So help me with corporate structure. Solarix is the company that owns NEOS?
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18:47
Thomas Fuchsbau
I'm concerned
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18:48
Thomas Fuchsbau
There's Solirax s.r.o. and Solirax LTD
18:48
also a Solirax Education something
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18:49
Al Smith
What? Is it Solarix or Solirax?
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18:49
Thomas Fuchsbau
Solirax
18:50
That one?
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18:50
Thomas Fuchsbau
If I am not mistaken, the LTD is a holding. Neos itself seems to be owned by Solirax as Karel claims, but others say that Neos is owned by Frooxius
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18:51
Al Smith
And the VC that put money in. Who are they?
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18:53
Ken
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18:53
Hualili
Hello ken
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18:54
Al Smith
Is the VC βRothenberg Ventures seed capitalβ
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18:55
Thomas Fuchsbau
what? Sorry, I don't know about that
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18:55
Al Smith
Is says on the bottom of the NEOS page.
18:56
And the head of that was arrested in June 2020 on fraud charges it looks like?
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18:56
Faisal
Yes
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18:56
Al Smith
βIn June 2020, Mike Rothenberg was arrested and charged with 23 federal felony fraud charges, facing decades in prison if convictedβ
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18:56
Faisal
Oh nice
18:57
Wonder what he did
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18:57
Read that
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18:57
Faisal
Interesting
18:58
Weβll they were invested in 100 companies
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18:58
Al Smith
Yeah spacex included hahah
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18:58
Faisal
Weird lol
18:58
So yeah donβt know how that would work
18:58
If it matters
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18:59
Al Smith
So if the person here is right and the VC has 15% .. is it of Solirax? And if so who controls that vote right now?
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19:00
Faisal
Yes of solirax
19:00
All I know is Karel and Froox each own 42%
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19:00
Al Smith
So that means the deciding vote on things is with a company on trial for fraud. β¦..
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19:06
Faisal
Yeah not sure the implications of that
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19:08
Al Smith
I was hoping I could give the VC firm a call and just ask them what was happening and offered to help. But I donβt know if theyβre even involved in this problem right now given their own troubles.
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19:09
Faisal
Yeah wouldβve been a good idea
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19:09
Hualili
Vc stands with karel
19:11
voting power is on karel. So no worries
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19:11
Faisal
Proof?
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19:12
Hualili
Karel said it on day but maybe he doesnβt wanna emphasized it.
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19:13
Joe Sylva
I hate that I have to keep track of 2 different telegram groups and like a dozen discord threads to keep up with this situation. Lol
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19:15
Faisal
I would not be surprised given Froox lack of interest in the financial matters
19:15
Prior to this blowing up Ofcourse
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19:19
Al Smith
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Unfortunate I can really believe just hearsay at this point. We need real answers backed up by documents. And the VC could change their mind at anytime. Iβll see did I can find anything out on the VC
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19:19
Winston
10 million mc
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Hualili
Yea but I donβt any reasonable VCs could stand with any team that trash talking them.
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19:26
Winston
Despite karels funds its a 4 million mc
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19:38
Orc
Karel has a strong case
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19:41
Orc
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for proving that Froox has conspired to out him with foul play, and also that theyve tried to fraud investors after collecting money since 2018
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19:51
Nirv
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Yep, Karel has defrauded investors, since the money raised for NeosVR funding went to currency buybacks
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19:51
Faisal
Karel sounds more and more like good guy
19:51
He spent so much on buybacks for investors
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Put a buy wall
19:52
Seems Froox trying to undermine it all
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19:53
Faisal
Time will tell
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19:58
Orc
devs want to take the usdc and ether and run, but karel was like "nope, NCR is here to stay"
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20:35
Grace
Karel Hi karel, could you give us a short brief about what could we expect next? Or if you need sometime to sort things out, then give us a date for everyone to come back to have an update later.
20:37
currently, people are getting so emotional on both sides. All the talkings are going nowhere. This is very damaging for everyone.
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20:39
Grace
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you keep flooding every channel without any information new or helpful. Can you stop repeating yourself
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20:40
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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That's very slanderous. Do not lie again.
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20:59
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
It's just further trying to antagonize
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xLinka
No they are stating a fact It was at the top of this chat when you joined and it was posted in the other group about 98% probably have read it now
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Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
No, I have deemed them to be communicating in bad faith after their initial lie.
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subum park
oh... i woke up now... wow.......
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21:07
subum park
so, new website is to be next week right??
when new website comes out, there will be response from Froox again saying
"told you not to do anything CEO! Since you did something without my consent, no place for you in Neos hah"
when new website comes out, there will be response from Froox again saying
"told you not to do anything CEO! Since you did something without my consent, no place for you in Neos hah"
21:08
another fight shit coming next week... oh man..
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21:09
Peter Thiel
A dream that is not ridiculed is not worth achieving
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21:18
Orc
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LOL. this 100%. He'll make his big long post and furries will be out there begging for drama.
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21:25
subum park
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then Karel will say
"sent you to riview it but never gives feedback what you dont agree with, driving me crazy. There's things to be done not like irresponsible position as you are not accepted in business bro"
then no response from Froox until next whitepaper.
same pattern
"sent you to riview it but never gives feedback what you dont agree with, driving me crazy. There's things to be done not like irresponsible position as you are not accepted in business bro"
then no response from Froox until next whitepaper.
same pattern
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21:28
subum park
Karel is forced to be a miscommunicating leader by his team/public which is kind of gaslight I see.
Not a perfect person, but responsible for his job at least.
Not a perfect person, but responsible for his job at least.
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21:29
Orc
hey khosumi can you stop molesting the family pets?
21:29
you sick fuck
21:29
also get a life LOL
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21:30
Grace
what I see frooxius and his supporters doing is classic bully. Disagreement shouldnβt be done this way.
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21:31
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
I've been trying to take both sides on good faith. I feel like there is some kind of communication break down when taking both sides seriously. I'm a bit flustered that this stuff is going on for long
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21:31
Orc
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froox csn sit quiet and has an army of malicious little communist furries cheering for us tp get rugpulled
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21:33
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
I think the furries have a tendency to associate crypto stuff is more scammy typically because of the general community experience where the artists have repeatedly had art uploaded to opensea and essentially misrepresented as official NFTs etc.
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21:34
Khosumi
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There's also the issue of people minting artwork without the author's consent
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21:34
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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That's pretty much what I was referring to, but you put it more eloquently.
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21:34
Orc
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no, they just love internet drama and crypto is the current obsession
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21:34
Khosumi
What a narrow minded perspective
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21:34
Orc
plus furries are all on some communism koolaid right now
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21:35
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
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The current drama I see in furry chats is over Russia, not crypto.
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21:35
Khosumi
is being toxic all day all you can do?
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21:36
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
I think Orc is being genuine with his thoughts with us and not specifically toxic.
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21:36
Khosumi
Oh I will
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21:36
Al Smith
Can we just have this chat be about what is happening and keep it professional. Not making off side comments about one group or they other please.
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21:36
Orc
i wouldnt trust you to walk my dog or be alone with a horse without trying to sniff its farts
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21:36
Khosumi
you have serious issues
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21:37
Grace
letβs agree on some rules: no bad words please
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21:38
Khosumi
What I find interesting is orc suddenly taking an interest in talking trash about me after I had said nothing for quite a long time
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21:39
Khosumi
I could not have heard a more blatant lie than this
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21:40
Orc
i mean it
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21:40
Khosumi
Stop it.
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21:40
Orc
ill prove it to ya someday
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21:40
Khosumi
mhm. Now stop
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21:40
Orc
fine sorry
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21:40
Ash (bored fox NFT #128743)
Out of curiosity, is anyone here intending to buy this dip at some point?
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21:41
Al Smith
Nope. Iβm holding till we see them figure this out.
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21:41
Reactant
It is not okay to be anti furry here. That is just going to fuel more fights. Please don't do it.
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21:42
Orc
Im sorry